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AddThis Utility Frame. I confirmed this by dialing in Bravos coordinates and the needle pointed straight ahead. While the Vietnamese and Chinese have a long history of ethnic combat, the Chinese were happy to limit both Russian and American military influence in SE Asia, by replacing every bullet fired by North Vietnam. Top rudder pedal, however, broke us out at about 5 grand. The Navy had it right (mostly) in equipping, training and tailoring tactical air assets. Manacles were locked onto my wrists as well. Thank you for your service Joe. Several of our birds went to Nam. The author, during training on the F-4 Phantom. I dont know that back in 1973 I was all that appreciative of the Scotty Wilsons, or even the cigarette-smoking Iwo Jima Marines, but as Ive grown and aged during the past 47 years, I cant help but feel enormous gratitude, and sorrow, for those men and women who, but for the grace of God and President Nixon, went where I didnt. Just a wild guess but you just enjoy your freedoms while you let others do the fighting and take the risks. On Oct. 26, McCain would fly his 23rd run over North Vietnam, joining a 20-plane mission to bomb a power plant in the capital city of Hanoi, which had been off-limits to U.S. attacks . Compare these massive figures to the six million Jewish folks who perished in the WWII Holocaust. The 366th TFW Gunfighters consisted of three squadrons; 389th, 390th and the 480th. American airmen shot down 196 MiGs137 by the Air Force, 59 by the Navy and the Marine Corpsand sustained 83 losses. In closing, I assert that Joe did not have the option you recommend. I was concentrating on Scotty and my eyes were focused only on him. Our brand-new LtCol had dreams of a DFC or Silver Star, so we drove 250 miles or so North, with marginal weather at Chu Lai, to volunteer our (his) effort. Your reaction to my article bears the stamps of liberalist tradition unhampered by progress, reveals a lack of understanding of politics on the world stage and shows complete disrespect for the sacrifices made by all Vietnam combat veterans. One source reported that the North Vietnamese claimed to have shot down 218 U.S. manned aircraft in air to air combat in Vietnam, of those kills, 85 are not supported by U.S. records, while another 37 were attributed by the U.S. to surface-to-air missiles and anti-aircraft fire. Sad to hear that your Dad didnt tell you much about his missions. The United States, along with their allies (The Republic of Vietnam, South Korean, Australian, Thailand, New Zealand), lost about 12,500 aircraft, helicopters and UAVs. And Mr. Crecca, again, I thank you. Joe- God Bless you & Scotty and all others that served like ya`ll ! 149959 AH 300 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile (SAM) during a combat mission over North Vietnam. On 3 January 1969 Light Attack Squadron Four (VAL-4) was commissioned at NAS North Island, California and after an intense period of training was transferred to Vietnam. Although thank you is not enough, I do thank you for your service. Not that northern Laos is a very hospitable place to be, but it would give you a better chance for a rescue by an Air Force chopper. And we were just below that weight when we left Danang AB, RVN from runway 17L on the 22ndof November 1966. Shot down. This requires the pilot to smoothly and precisely adjust control inputs to maintain takeoff attitude as the aircraft accelerates and the landing gear and flaps are retracted. A year and a half after his plane was shot down over North Vietnam, Porter sat in a filthy cell shared with another American prisoner of war, and learned that he was supposedly dead. Pilot Clyde Romero, 19, rests between flights at Khe Sanh in February 1971. Thanks, again, for your story many more years of good health & happiness to you. Glad to hear you are on frequency. The Army and USAF spent enormous efforts preparing to fight WWII over again in Europe (this time with nukes). With both my palms up and a telling expression on my face, Don Ward knew that was the end of the conversation. all i can do is thank you so much for allowing common people like myself to be inspired . We can never let our politicians forget those lessons. I remember the day we lost a crew in Cambodia. But that's exactly what happened to Bill Arcuri when he was forced to bail out of his damaged plane over Vietnam. What could I possibly say to the President of the United States that he hadnt already heard 334 times before? But I promise if youll just give me another one, Ill take much better care of it. He squeezed my hand so hard I thought he was going to break all the bones in it as he said with great gusto, I want you in one!, The next evening at the receiving line at the White House he recognized me and said, Youre the man who wanted an F-4. I said I was and he said, Youve got it!. The Republic of Vietnam lost 1,018 aircraft and helicopters from January 1964 to September 1973. The other Marine brought a lit match to the cigarette hed placed in his mouth, and as soon as he did, ZING, a bullet went through the Marines helmet and skull. Joe Crecca would spend more than six years in various prison camps. Sadly the other pilot and crew chief and door gunner did not make it. Our airplane flew out of the fireball with orange flames and thick, black smoke trailing from the wings, fuselage and tail. I hereby repeat all the usual thank yous, perhaps perfunctorily but with no less feeling. You and Scotty are my heroes. Got this forwarded in late 2017. Without guys like Joe you would go to prison for writing what you just wrote. 33 years 6 months after his loss. It is awful that people make bad decisions for selfish reasons. According to the Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association, a total of 11,846 helicopters were shot down or crashed during the war, resulting in nearly 5,000 American pilots and crew killed. On Sept. 12, 1968, F-100D pilot Capt. Date Enemy Aircraft Squardon Aircraft Weapon Carrier Service Rank Pilot RIO/NFO Note; 17 Jun 1965: MiG-17: VF-21: F-4B: AIM-7: CVA 41: USN: CDR: Louis Page : LT John C. Smith, Jr. . Hayden Lockhart was the first Air Force pilot to fall into North Vietnamese hands. John Stuart Mill Meadows My father (deceased) served in the Army in Korea and my son served as an Army Combat Medic deployed to Afghanistan. Approaching what should have been Point Alfa on our planned route, I noticed the nav pointer was off to the left when it should have been dead center straight up. I, for one, will welcome additional tales of courage and flying on these pages. Black Hills just changed So. Fritz came in with the rest of his nape and sent a SAM across the tree line like a horizontal Roman candle. Scotty gave the Phantom back to me and then it was my turn. He said hes sorry I feel that way. Republic F-105 Thunderchief. There are plenty of other places to rant and vent. It suddenly dawned on me that he would not surrender his place on the controllers list and lose the chance for his Silver Star! I was always in awe of you guys flying the Phantom in the opressive heat and conditions of S.E. He was the last fighter pilot to become an ace in a day, shooting down five Indian Hawker . Pair of scanning Navy A-6s. Scotty yelled, GET OUT! With the OUT still echoing in my ears there was a BOOM!, then the air noise of the jettisoned canopy. They were deeply felt. I always enjoyed flying with you and sharing a beverage. [5], Claimed by VPAF: 154 MiG aircraft lost through all causes, including 131 in air combat (includes 63 MiG-17s, 8 MiG-19s and 60 MiG-21s)[21][22]. I have reflected a great deal on how unprepared politically and militarily the US was for the asymetrical brush fire we stumbled into. We were only two minutes from the target, descending through 14,000 ft. at a speed of 540 knots or about 650 miles per hour. He didnt understand that we were mixed in a huge gaggle competing for time on target, lugging 10 X 500# bombs, 400 miles from base, with marginal weather, fuel hungry, not in sight with each other? 2,197 of the losses were fixed-wing, and the remainder rotary-wing. God bless you, Sir. I was a bit young to be drafted for Vietnam but as a flying geek and guy who likes to learn about military history, Ive had conversations with many people involved in that conflict, including soldiers, marines, airmen and my brother, a draftee who walked point in the US Army in Vietnam. Dickens rescued) 17, 1965, Commander Lou Page (pilot) and Lieutenant JC Smith were flying F-4B bureau number (buno) 150646 not 151488 as sometimes reported. I wanted to wipe the blood away but my hands were tied behind my back. I was a young 23 year old J-79 Engine Mechanic at Homestead AFB in 1972,sent toThailand in late Summer of that year to participate in LinebackerII Our F-4s along with McDills flew Mig CAP for the B-52s of which several were lost.Homestead lost one Phantom,I believe McDill lost one. Despite these difficulties, we began to taxi. I was asked the same questions over and over in an attempt to trip me up. To those who try to insert politics, I agree that it is in extremely poor taste to try to make this such a venue. The Republic of Vietnam lost 1,018 aircraft and helicopters from January 1964 to September 1973. Having been a teenager in Vietnam years, I had a Vietnam map on my bedroom wall and marked bombing missions that Cronkite would report that night. Thus ended my first day as a POW in North Vietnam. Hope you sre enjoying the golden years. I thought to myself, Im dead. I just didnt know what the moment of death would be like. First loss: 1964, final loss: 1967. Get it? Im an alumnus of the 480th TFS myself ( USAFE, 78-80) and wish you all the best . It was another scene of temporal distortion. There were too many A-holes with rank putting the rest of us at risk up there especially RP VI. me 500s. VMFA-115. I rest easy at night because of people like you. Spooky came in after that and made a few passes. You willingly took huge risks, knowing that that mission could be your last. From the back seat, I accomplished the fuel on-load at an altitude of 25,000 ft. having to use minimum afterburner on the left engine to stay in position due to the heavy load. Phew! You should be ashamed of yourself! Following the release of all the POWs we met President Nixon at the State Department in May, 1973. records. He summed up his experience in Vietnam as It was f****d. You guys are the best we have. Despite my state of lingering shock, my reaction to his command was to pop the Rat and restart. The soil was mercifully soft, loose and moist. Source for F-4 losses is Phantom with U.S. Marine Corps (Joe Baugher), others are unsourced, Production of a total of 380 Mohawks ended in December 1970. This is known as temporal distortion. From the refueling track exit over northern Thailand, our route took us over northern Laos and into North Vietnam. They were all well received. We can assume NVN radars were tracking us and if I had disclosed the secret tacan, it would be simple to backtrack to the tacan location. Fritz was Nape. Served in SAC during early fifties and proud of our commander. God Bless you F-4 drivers! Osprey 2001, No. How many helicopters did America have in Vietnam? [10] Estimates of North Vietnamese losses range from 131, as documented in North Vietnamese records; to 195, as claimed by U.S. If it means anything, I wanted to tell you that I have travelled extensively though Vietnam for both work and pleasure, and found that Vietnamese people hold no grudge whatsoever to those dark years, younger generations are full of optimism and only look forward for a better life. Just then, the crew chief, SSgt. May God bless you, your family and all our vets. The next thing I knew, I was back on the wooden stool facing my interrogator. I told him to head SE so I could spot him out of the circular traffic jam. My brother got spit on when he landed in Atlanta on his way home. You were a great morale boost when we needed it the most. Of those servicepeople, 2,382 were killed while serving aboard UH-1 Iroquois, better known as the ubiquitous "Huey." [9] Another source claims that the U.S. attributed losses to surface-to-air missiles and anti-aircraft fire because it was considered "less embarrassing". If the MiGs didnt come up, he couldnt have a chance to shoot one down. I wish I could have expressed my thanks to your Elder Eagle for successfully completing his mission to spring me out of jail. I would like to hear from you at some point; [emailprotected]. The black, shapeless mass of Vietnamese peasants was all over me. The session finally came to an end after midnight. But with no guarantee to get the slot you wanted you made the right choice to bail out. when the canopy rails are parallel to the ground, the nose is 10-12 degrees up. April 16, 1968 : C-130A 56-0480, c/n 3088, of the 35th Tactical Airlift Squadron, crash landed at Special Forces Camp Bunard, 80 kilometers north of Bien Hoa, South Vietnam. Our flight should never have been going into the target. I took one last look at the horizon. I flew Marine Corps F-4s out of Da Nang and Nam Pong, Thailand in 1972; unfortunately not much had changed in six years. Maximum allowable gross takeoff weight in an F-4C was 58,000 lbs. Although I was only a few thousand feet away, I hadnt been able to hear the explosion. If you do that, itll be your first time in harms way. On 27 July 1968, Commander Mongilardi was the pilot of an A4C Skyhawk that launched from the deck of the USS Coral Sea as the section leader in a flight of two on a armed reconnaissance/strike mission over North Vietnam. There, I waited for about five hours, during which time it seemed that everyone in the village, save the oldest and youngest, came to visit the new arrival. Better than snakes or drowning in contaminated water, I thought briefly, before I was elevated again and dropped again. God-Speed to our brothers in arms, where ever they may be! Thank you for your expressions of gratitude, sir. Then, I was pushed face down to the floor and blindfolded. Global Security, "A War too Long: The USAF in Southeast Asia 19611975", http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/virtual_disk_library/index.cgi/1025775/FID1977/NAVY/Chap_3.pdf, USMC HELO LOSSES(19621973) by aircraft type, "The OV-1 Mohawk Remembered Firsthand: Piloting the Mohawk in Vietnam", "SE Asia and Vietnam: Royal Australian Air Force", "Image Galleries 2009 - Department of Defence", " - - www.skywar.ru", U.S. Air-to-Air Victories during the Cold War, Wars in Yugoslavia, and Anti-Terror War, Widow travels to Vietnam after 40 years and finds her MIA husband's Marine Corps F-4 jet crash site in Que Son Mtns, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War&oldid=1133364112, First loss: A-1E 52-132465 (1st Air Commando Squadron [ACS], 34th Tactical Group [TG]) shot down during night training mission on 29 August 1964 near, Final loss: A-1H 52-139738 (1st Special Operations Squadron, 56th Special Operations Wing) which was shot down 28 September 1972 (pilot was rescued by an, First loss: 710310 (355th Tactical Fighter Squadron, 354th TFW) on 2 December 1972 shot down on a, Final loss: 700945 (354th TFW) shot down in Cambodia on 25 May 1973 (Capt Jeremiah Costello KIA), First loss: B-26B 44-35530 (Detachment 2A, 1st ACG) shot down in IV CTZ on the night of 45 November 1962, killing the 3 crew, Final loss: A-26A 64-17646 (609th SOS, 56th SOW) lost over Laos on the night of 78 July 1969, killing both crewmen, First loss: AC-119G 52-5907 (Det.1, 17th SOS, 14th SOW) which crashed on take-off from, Final loss: AC-119K 53-7826 (18th SOS, 56th SOW out of, First losses were operational (non-combat) mid-air collision 2 B-52F 57-0047 and 57-0179 (441st Bomb Squadron, 320th Bomb Wing), 18 June 1965, South China Sea during air refueling orbit, 8 of 12 crewmen killed, Final loss: B-52D 55-0056 (307th Bomb Wing Provisional) to SAM 4 January 1973, crew rescued from Gulf of Tonkin. 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